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Prior Lake High School to ban hats on campus
June 25, 2008 - 2:29pm — Joanna Miller
By Joanna Miller, Staff Writer A new Prior Lake High School policy will leave ball caps – and other head gear – in the field this fall. Prior Lake Assistant Principal Jeff Pawlicki gained approval from the Prior Lake-Savage Area School Board Monday to ban head coverings in the high school building Monday. Exceptions will be made for students who wear head coverings for religious or medical reasons, such as a student going through chemotherapy. Why the crackdown on caps? Pawlicki said caps have been at the top of the list of small items that can cause major headaches for supervisors. What begins as a student stealing a cap from another student has escalated into fights at times. Board Member Tom Anderson said while high-schoolers may not agree with the policy, it makes sense. “My son would say that’s pretty dumb to have that [rule],” Anderson said. However, Anderson said disputes at the school over hats are “a major waste of time. I think it’s going to save a lot of headaches.” Pawlicki said students and parents will be notified multiple times of the change through e-mails and mailings and by teachers on the first day of school. The consequences for wearing hats will follow a three-strike system. On the first offense, the student can pick up the hat at the end of the day. On the second offense, the student’s parent must pick it up. On the third offense, the staff member will hold onto the item until returning it at the end of the school year. Pawlicki acknowledged that for a lot of students, it will be a big deal to not bring hats to school. Board Member Diane Ziemann congratulated the high school staff for making the change. “I think it’s long overdue,” Ziemann said. “I applaud you for stepping up to the plate.” Joanna Miller can be reached at (952) 345-6375 or jmiller@swpub.com.
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So, are students even...
Back to page topSo, are students even allowed to bring caps to school, if they keep them in their lockers? Before, were students allowed to wear caps in the classroom? Or just in the hallways?
And what about wearing hats to school in the winter?
Now that they've banned caps, are they going to start banning everything students fight over? If students steal pencils or pens from each other and whip them at each other, will those be outlawed as well?
Good point sfiecke. I would...
Back to page topGood point sfiecke. I would imagine students can strike-up a fight over a lot of things. Caps are probably the least of it but something the administration feels they can control. For kids, getting to high school means a few more liberties than the lower grades. They like to be treated more like young adults than kids. Making it mandatory for them to leave the hats at home seems harsh. Especially for some boys, who wear hats every day as part of their wardrobe. I don't know, seems like a micro-managing move by the administration.
Here's the exact language...
Back to page topHere's the exact language from the handbook for next year:
"Headwear: No headwear of any type will be allowed during school hours; 7:20-2:10 p.m. For purpose of this policy "headwear" includes, but is not limited to; scarves, baseball caps, headbands, hats, stocking caps, winter headwear, hoods, and bandanas. This policy is usually relaxed during Homecoming and Spirit Weeks. Headwear may not be worn or visisble unless they are related to religious practices of function, and/or are needed as a matter of health."
Headbands, too? Wow. I know...
Back to page topHeadbands, too? Wow. I know girls/women who wear headbands every day as part of their hairstyle either because that's the way they like to wear their hair or to keep the fly-aways out of their face. And one of them has hair too short for a ponytail so that's not an option.
Holy Buckets!!! Parents...
Back to page topHoly Buckets!!!
Parents should of taught their kids that you should not wear your hats indoors when they were little.
So they can't even put their...
Back to page topSo they can't even put their sweatshirt hoods up if they're cold? Geez...and yeah, the headband thing seems a bit much.
Miss Manners says hats are...
Back to page topMiss Manners says hats are taken off as a sign of respect (in front of the U.S. Flag, in the presence of a lady, when entering a home/building). I mean, it's old-school etiquette.
But, many area schools have hat/headwear policies not only because of respect, but because of safety issues and problems that crop up from hats. Fights, gang-related/clique issues, and theft are a few reasons.
Pawlicki said at PLHS, it has to do with the amount of time administrators spent dealing with scuffles and thefts related to hats this year. Students horse around, toss hats off of the upstairs area to the floor below, and it has created problems in the hallways.
It's not just hats - iPods and cell phones have been issues addressed in the student handbook previously, as well. The same three-strike policy is used.
I don't think they're referring to fashion headbands in the policy, but students can ask for clarification at the school, and teachers will discuss the policy during the first week of classes so they know what's going on.
What other kinds of...
Back to page topWhat other kinds of headbands are there? I guess sports headbands...so are those banned during sporting events, too?
I think the teachers and principals are going to have their work cut out for them as they try to explain and clarify this policy.
I totally agree that wearing...
Back to page topI totally agree that wearing hats in the classroom, etc, isn't proper etiquette (and sadly, we are losing such etiquette). When I was in high school (back in the late 1990s), most teachers wouldn't allow hats in the classroom. We weren't supposed to wear jackets either, I don't think, but that rule was relaxed when the classrooms were cold during the winter.
So, were caps allowed before in the classroom at Prior Lake? I'm confused.
I still don't understand why the school is attacking a physical artifice versus just punishing bad behavior. At some point, when you try to legislate every thing that could possibly be used for misbehavior, it becomes ridiculous and you end up losing respect as an authority figure.
I remember when we got a new high school principal, one of the first things he said was, I'm not going to allow students to have plastic bottled pop because at my old school, kids put alcohol in their bottles. Not only did this lower our impression of him right off the bat, but it gave every student who had never thought of doing it, the idea. (The rule went quietly away when the school wanted revenue from a pop machine contract. ) If kids really want to do something bad, they'll find a way of doing it.
I always found that it didn't matter how many rules a teacher had, either a teacher commanded respect and received it, or they didn't and students acted accordingly.
I like how the article sites...
Back to page topI like how the article sites this as "at top of the list of small items that can cause major headaches for supervisors."
Well let's not expect the supervisors to have to supervise, much less deal with punishments and holding bad decision makers accountable for their actions! No sir, if we make students accountable for causing trouble then we run the risk of NOT being able to let everyone become a victim of some circumstance down the road.
Well at least with the no hat rule in place it will leave more time for the staff to actually educate our kids.....
....or is that no longer in their contracts either?
The article does not mention...
Back to page topThe article does not mention that Ipods, MP3 Players and CD Players are now also banned according to the handbook. That is also new. They are going to be treated the same as the cell phones. I hope the school office has a good system to mark all the confiscated items. I think it makes sense, but should have been done years ago or they should have not got lack.
You're correct that they did...
Back to page topYou're correct that they did add MP3s to the list of items discouraged at the high school. It's a technology update to a rule they've had in place for a while for radios, CD players, pagers and cell phones.
I looked at the 2006-07 handbook, and back then, it called for cell phones and pagers to be out of view during the school day (in a bag, purse, etc.) and said they would be confiscated "if a student had one in a classroom, hallway, the commons area, etc. during the school day" or if it were disruptive.
Flash forward to 2008-09, and the similar portion of the book includes MP3 players. It is changed to read that they need to be "kept out of view and not heard."
Its HARD to find s school...
Back to page topIts HARD to find s school that goes after JEWS as much as this one. Orthodox Jews MUSt wear hats at all times, according to their religion. Get rid of the hats, & the Jews GOT to leave or go to hell by taking them off.... Its kind of a subtle way for the school board to say the jews can go to hell....
Of course all thios 'Fighting" over "Hatts" couyld juste be s smokescreen that the parents are raising a bunch of racist kids who attack Jews and the hats are a coincideence???. Religuos exemptions for the Jew hats are a problematic accomodation. Its kinda like forcing them all to wear a yelow star of david so that the can be identified in case folks ever want to round them up & gas them.
Yep gettin a ban this RACIST has been IMOPSSIBLE for the KKK to accomlish in the deep south, & unthinkable for present day Germans. A Jew free townn & a Jew free school ........ Almost, but these days, not all jews are orthodox , the reform Jews who dont wear the hats are someetimes able to "pass" for white & racists are more accepting of them as "Good" jews who know their place & dont "act Jewish" in public........its progress from Hitlers day, but not much...........
HAts banned because they...
Back to page topHAts banned because they could cause conflict, Yet Swashtica armbands were NOT included, Id almost forgotten that part, Gang colors were also left off. Nice to know that the Crips, Bloods, & local ****** wont have thier kids rights infringed on. Interestingly this also does NOT affect what kids wear at home, or at after school meetings, so it is still no problem when the kids attend KKK meetings, or make Gransd Wizard as these are AFTER school activities.......
Trust me banning sheets & beadspreads is JUST as inefective as a hat ban. getting rid of offending hats, or people just doesnt work, finding out how to live toggether peacefully with your neighbors is the underlying probleem in your community that needs to be addressed, not the fashons that people wear while fighting & killing each other......
And this Ladies and...
Back to page topAnd this Ladies and Gentlemen is why mom and dad should not get the internet.
Comparing Hats to Hitler is a little far fetched
It's imopssible to take...
Back to page topIt's imopssible to take Schulz seriously.
David Duke a LOUISIANA...
Back to page topDavid Duke a LOUISIANA CONGRESSMAN & "former" clansman is on tour, in these progresive days, hes gone through a transformation, he no longer seems to believe that black people are a problem, This is good as it brings MLKs dream of peace and brotherhood 1 step closer. He now believes that the Jews are the source of all the worlds problems & is hawking his wares on the internet, touring the US & europe, & Teaching in the Ukrane. Yep its 1 step forward, 2 steps back... & with the internet, folks in your town can read about his philosophy at www.davidduke.com & order things descreetly (Like confederate flags) shipped to maintain anonymity.... Id heard hed become popular up north, but I never figured it would be as far north as the ukrane in the former ussr. Sadly these guys now have a worlwide presence thanks to the net. His policies were a DISASTER when Germany tried them, yet little things like the hat ban make me wonder just WHO it is in your school boards that is originating them, & whether it is insensetivity driving it, or something more sinister..... .
No one took hitler...
Back to page topNo one took hitler seriouusly, and there appear to be NO response about what to do about Orthodox Jews?? Exempt them??? (making it EASY for the KKK to single them out, or just eliminate theem by forcing them into other schools?????
No solution proposed by ANYONE??????
Or are they just waitiing for a "Final Solution" to the Orthodox Jew hat problem.
Issues & problems like this cant be ignored .....
It would also be fun to have the media film a Holocaust survivor and her Grandkid trying to register him for school and being informed that her grandkid cant wear a hat.......
To clarify - students WILL...
Back to page topTo clarify - students WILL be allowed to wear hats for religious reasons or medical reasons, according to the School Board policy.
Yep the Jewish kids will be...
Back to page topYep the Jewish kids will be "allowed" to wear a hat, marking them, as "Jews" or "muslims" etc. Marking the Jewish kids with Yellow star of davids was perfectly acceptible in hitlers day, & making the muslim kids easier to single out for post 9/11 beatings by simply looking at who has a hat is made simpler. WORSE in our areas, the kids who DONT wear hats are the biggest troublemakers. Thats Right, SKINHEADS get to KEEP their proud white power sign, which is ENCOURAGED as they are now REQUIRED to bear their heads & PROUDLY display their Bald & sometimes tatooed heads. Yep a skinhead with a Swashtica tattoo on his had that cant be removed, & is ordered to be displayed by the school as he cant & wouldnt want to put a haat over it keep it or covered up is DEFINITELY gonna offend LOTS of folks,. & the School cant refuse them admission, as tatoos are a permanent part of a persons body. White skinned kids who have just had chemo, & had all their hair fall out, get a whole NEW set of problems they can ALWAYS pass as skinheads, but run the Dammed if you do , dammned if you dont risk of either being beaten up as possible Jews, or muslims, because of teh wearing of the hat, or of being beaten up by black kids if they are mistaken for skinheads. Oddly REQUIRING ALL students to wear hats would adress the COSMETICS of the Skinhead issue, but NO ONE is adressing he core issues like Why do kids join gangs, why is there violence in society etc...
A great site with news on the NYC & worlwide Skinhead tatoos & movement is is at ....
http://www.rickross.com/groups/skinheads.html
Sadly REVERSE hat bans going in the OTHER direction REQUIRING racist tattoos to be covered, with hats or long sleeves, would do more to adress the issues at hand. ........
Skinheads =ok...
Back to page topSkinheads =ok boyscout-hats=banned
Odd that Skinheads are now required to bear their heads & Swashitca tatooos, when they register at the scool. & youths are ENCOURAGED to join their gangs over The Boy Scouts, Cub Scouts & the Girl scouts as those groups have hats as part of their uniforms, and as thet are neither religiously or medically required , those groiups have just GOT to go if the hat ban is strictly enforced.
My kid would not be able to wear his boy scout hat to school But as for Shaving his head & getting a Swashtica tattoo to join the local skinhead chapter NO PROBLEM , that would not violate the hat ban.
A simple google search on Skinheads in Minnesota brought up this http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/minnesota-skinheads-and-l...
Even shows a local skinhead in full hat free outfit! nice to know that HIS kids arent going to be hassled over hats & will get extra members now that those troublemaker Boyscouts & their hats are banned!!!
It would seem to me simple,...
Back to page topIt would seem to me simple, inexpensive uniforms would be easier to enforce than these random rules that are created as things happen...and would likely help stop a lot of the clique/social class/fashion type teasings and fighting of middle and high school...
just a random thought...
School Uniforms WORKED back...
Back to page topSchool Uniforms WORKED back in my dads day, the kids in Germany back then kids had few problems when they wore their Hitler youth or Volkstrum outfits to school. It was hard to tell if the lack of fighting was due to the uniforms, or that the schools had been purged of the "Undesirable" elements who had been "Resettled" using methods that are banned today. I myself atteended not only public schools , that did NOT have uniforms, but also 2 private schools that DID have uniforms, 1 catholic, 1 Episcopal. The Manddatory school prayer, & ability of the schools to refuse entry to any who were not catholic, or Episcoplal, may have had more to do with peace at the school than the uniforms as these schools maintained a homogeneous environment in which all students shared a common religion & religous values, reinfoced by daily, MANDATORY school prayer of a sectarian nature. The teqnique is not transferrable to the public school system though as picking a religion, & denying public school entry to all the others is illegal for public schools.
Oddly some of the public schools districts that I attended growing up were able to maintain an equally safe environment for everyone by using Hall monitors,(I was one) expelling & suspending violent students, & notifying parents who would actually TALK to their kids & punish or reward them based on how they did ion school , instead of the kind of parents we find all too often these days who seem to neglect their kids & rely on TV, gang members, & an overburdened school system to give their kids their values & the attention they cant find at home. Putting a boy scout uniform & hat on a skinhead or gang member wont "Magically" transform him into a boy scout, as there is NO substitute for proper guidance at home & at school.
The Prior Lake High School...
Back to page topThe Prior Lake High School handbook includes a list of student rights:
1) a free and full education and right to learn;
2) equal educational opportunity and freedom from discrimination;
3) due process of law;
4) freedom of inquiry and expression;
5) privacy;
6) participate in student activities;
7) personal property excluding items listed under II B-6 (policy)
8) be informed of school rules;
9) make up work missed in accordance to the attendance policy.
My concern with creating a school uniform is that it infringes on freedom of expression, listed as a student right (#4).
As for discrimination and safety for students of various backgrounds at the high school, the school has a student code of conduct that bans hazing, threats, physical and verbal assaults.
The dress code policy doesn't allow for clothing that may be offensive to racial, ethnic or religious groups.
It seems to me that by following this policy, the high school is making efforts to provide a safe and respectful learning environment for all students of all backgrounds.
That's the main problem with...
Back to page topThat's the main problem with the US currently, everybody is so focused on their rights, nobody seems to give a crap about the responsibilities that come along with them. Yeah, let's worry about their right to wear some shirt, damned be their education...kids are being taught to protect their rights, but not being taught how to use them and what those rights demand of them. Yes, they have a freedom of speech, that doesn't mean they should feel they can say anything to anyone regardless of impact on the recipient...yes, they have a right to bear arms, doesn't mean they have a right to shoot anyone that ticks 'em off...we are FAR to "rights" concerned for far to little "responsibility" concerned around here.
Sgt, what's the hangup on hitler in this thread, sheesh!
Skinheads are NOT imaginary,...
Back to page topSkinheads are NOT imaginary, & school districts nationwide have them in thier schools. The folks who want to ban hats cause "Gangs couls use them" are displayiong their ignorance of what gangs are, & how they operate. especially as one of the most vicious & violent gangs in the country is the Hitler loving white Supremacist Skinheads. NO article of clothing is a factor as Shaved heads & tatoos are body parts. Regulating clothing ms13-Mara Salvatrucha is a vicious latin gang- looke them up on wikipedia- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mara_Salvatrucha they cover their bodies witth tattoos & NOT facial ether. Making kids strip, & inspecting them for tatoos would never fly in a democracy & removing ALL of these gang members clothes WONT remove their gang tatoos, or affiliations. No the "Hat Ban" is just something tht results in an imposition on kids civil & religous rights, & a show of support for Skinheads, MS13 & other Gangs who use tatoos & lack of hair instead of items of clothing as identifiers.............
Tatoos & Baldness do not...
Back to page topTatoos & Baldness do not violate the "Dress code" they get aaround it as you cant ban bald kids as that would deny educartion to kids with chemotherapy & hair loss for a variety of issues. You also have the whole issue of tatoos & tatoo removal, banning a kid who has a swashticaa tattooed on his scalp, is not something the school has the autority to do as that tatoo is part of his body. REQUIRING a hat to cover it, is within their authority, but is the OPPOSITE direction as banning hats REMOVES this as an option.
The dress code policy doesn't allow for clothing that may be offensive to racial, ethnic or religious groups. It does mean that you are covered on Clan hoods, Swashtica armbands and Swashtica hats. Baning a SPECIFIC kind of hat actually will fly on a case by case basis. but banning ALL hats blindly wont as penalizing a kid who wears a spongebob, or boyscout hat to scool would require that they prove that Spongebob hats are the "Identifier" used by a specific gang or group. It also requires that the group be shown to be destructive, dangerous or offensive as the boy scouts, 4H, & Shriners do use hats as idenntifiers and have been clearly shown to be harmless.......
Also Im not to worried that if there is no hat ban, my kid might end up in the boy scouts.......
I'm not aware that there are...
Back to page topI'm not aware that there are KKK-related problems in the Prior Lake Savage Area Schools.
In the past two years, I know that there have not been any disciplinary actions at the School Board level relating to this type of discrimination or racism.
Students in the school may be able to comment more directly about possible gang-related issues that haven't resulted in any actions.
I think it would be great if some PLHS students could share how they feel about the hat issue, as well as if there are any "unseen" issues at school.
The Maffia doesnt exist,...
Back to page topThe Maffia doesnt exist, there is no kkk, we hard that before, then JFK was gunned down in the street, John Gotti was arrested & folks stooped living in that dream world. In Germany there was a town that claimed thathere was no problem like that there was no problem like that in their town because no jews lived there and never had Upon investigation it was found that the townspeople had simply rounded up & deported all the towns Jews to the Death camps back in the old hitler days. The Town had a Holocaust memorial paid for by the Israelis on its outskirts. The residents had sanblasted out the names of the holocaust victims some of whom had survived. The surviving victims stated that they did not feel safe in a town filled with hate & bigotry. Dan Rather broadcast the story nationwide, so if you say that there is no need to adreess Jewish issues because there are "No Jews" we gotta ask WHY? Oprah did the same wheen she found a town with "No Blacks" is this town a RACIST enclave which blindly Ignores Jewish & minorirty sensetivities because they have been run out of town and some folks want to keep it that way? or is ist just that the posters who object to references like the www.michigannazis.com organization might be doing so to conceal THEIR OWN membership or complicity with such organizations.... as members keep in touch virtually, on the internet, and they normally DONT publicize their presence, you cant tell who belongs by their looks some of them might even be on the school board. Ive known of several teachers who kept their copies of mein Kampf after the war, & went on to teach in American schools. David Duke is currently on a College lecture & book tour nationwide & may even stop in your town.......
Besides , if there are no gang problems, wasnt that the excuse used the for the hat ban in the first place? Glad to see that you agree that a hat ban would be stupid as you are now stating that there are no gangs .... & if there are no Jews in your town, Was a "Final solution" used to achieve this???
The Maffia doesnt exist,...
Back to page topThe Maffia doesnt exist, there is no kkk, we hard that before, then JFK was gunned down in the street, John Gotti was arrested & folks stooped living in that dream world. In Germany there was a town that claimed thathere was no problem like that there was no problem like that in their town because no jews lived there and never had Upon investigation it was found that the townspeople had simply rounded up & deported all the towns Jews to the Death camps back in the old hitler days. The Town had a Holocaust memorial paid for by the Israelis on its outskirts. The residents had sanblasted out the names of the holocaust victims some of whom had survived. The surviving victims stated that they did not feel safe in a town filled with hate & bigotry. Dan Rather broadcast the story nationwide, so if you say that there is no need to adreess Jewish issues because there are "No Jews" we gotta ask WHY? Oprah did the same wheen she found a town with "No Blacks" is this town a RACIST enclave which blindly Ignores Jewish & minorirty sensetivities because they have been run out of town and some folks want to keep it that way? or is ist just that the posters who object to references like the www.michigannazis.com organization might be doing so to conceal THEIR OWN membership or complicity with such organizations.... as members keep in touch virtually, on the internet, and they normally DONT publicize their presence, you cant tell who belongs by their looks some of them might even be on the school board. Ive known of several teachers who kept their copies of mein Kampf after the war, & went on to teach in American schools. David Duke is currently on a College lecture & book tour nationwide & may even stop in your town.......
Besides , if there are no gang problems, wasnt that the excuse used the for the hat ban in the first place? Glad to see that you agree that a hat ban would be stupid as you are now stating that there are no gangs .... & if there are no Jews in your town, Was a "Final solution" used to achieve this???
Soooo anyway..........take...
Back to page topSoooo anyway..........take your hat off before you go into the school, ok kids?
I find it very hard to...
Back to page topI find it very hard to believe grown adults are getting so worked up about something so stupid. The kids, sure, kids will generally complain about anything...but come on, people, they are saying they can't wear hats in school...big friggin deal!
Momma always told me not to wear hats inside anyway, but I guess today's kids aren't taught the same basic tenets of courtesy...it's all about their rights...
Jeezuz.
Some kids might have to...
Back to page topSome kids might have to shower before school now, since they can no longer hide their uncombed mops under a Twins cap.
Bad hair days may take on a new meaning.
Well, now that would...
Back to page topWell, now that would suppress their right to express themselves thru the sense of smell, and we can't have that!
SOME HAts ARE dangerous,...
Back to page topSOME HAts ARE dangerous, Turns out that a Baseball ca company had been turning out baseball caps, with Gang logos & signs on them. They stopped when they realized that an unsuspecting kid could buy the hat based on liking the colors , or design, & then walk into the wrong neighborhood without realizing & get killed by rival gang members.
The Gang that Chooses Spongebob hats as Identifiers would seem harmless though. It does however as if folks are looking for 1 step quick fixes "Ban guns in school" which works till they start stabbing each other, running each other over with cars (happend just this summer in 1 prior lake gang killing) "Ban hats so they cant recognize each other", Just leads to tatoos, T shirts.
Down south, we have different solutions to the same problems. Almost EVERYBODY has guns, (though not in schools or most bars) so we are tend to be extra polite in public as you DONT want to make a probable gun owner angry. The cops also tend to be Incredibly tough. The 1 Riot, 1 Ranger motto & legend started when a lone armed Texas Ranger suppressed a riot of over 100 people all by himself. It also makes it EXTRA important for us to address the problems before the problems become conflicts. Strangely , although its not perfect, things tend to be pretty peaceful here.
Banning all hats just seems too extreme, but after reading more about your community I now definitely agree that banning SOME hats (Ie the gang ones, may help & is warranted) Sadly though not all gangs use hats, & the others will just pick up the slack, even if the hat ban worked. What is really needed is better policing & for somebody to address the underlying issues of why kids join gangs in the first place. .....
I'm not sure what community...
Back to page topI'm not sure what community you've been reading about, but Prior Lake, Minnesota has not had any gang-related killings this summer or in the four years I've worked out here.
There has not been a "gang...
Back to page topThere has not been a "gang killing" in Prior Lake!
There was a Prior Lake man killed in a Burnsville incident in which police suspected possible gang activity. But there have been no gang killings reported in Prior Lake. Let's stick to the facts.
Yeah, there have been no...
Back to page topYeah, there have been no killings, therefore we can be pretty confident there is no gang activity, or gang members at all in our pleasantville type community.
Key in Prior lake to Google...
Back to page topKey in Prior lake to Google & you get all SORTS of info on drug rehab centers , and on the Latin Kings, one of the gang responsible for distribution in your area. & indeed most of your state. It also brings to the forefront the idiocy of the hat ban, for if there is no gangs activity, or "dicipline problem" the the had ban is the product of a small minded, possibly racist mindset.
As for the Man who was killed, they did arrest juveniles of high school age, gang or not, if the school bully kills someone, whether he was wearing a hat is the LEAST of your problems.
Also the hat ban still leaves racist skinheads and neo-nazis free to express themselves, & even ENCOURAGES this sort of thing by mandating the display of skin head tattoos in a hat free environment. It also is the recurrent example of the ineffective way in which school administrators are addressing problems.
If a student shoots someone, ban guns, then a studdent is stabbed to death, ban knives, then a student gets run over in the parking lot, ban cars, the a student gets garroted in the hallway, and the cycle continues. At no point would they be interested in finding out what is CAUSING the problems.
Also, as skinheads & ms13 start moving to your town,
to pick up the slack, folks may finally be forced to address the issues. links on gangs & killings in prior lake
http://www.plamerican.com/node/5552/print
Gang leader arrest -
http://www.usmarshals.gov/news/chron/2006/090606.htm
drug rehab link
http://www.addictionca.com/contact2.htm?state=Minnesota&city=Prior%20Lak...
Since drugs are distributed by gangs and the maffia, teh presence of a drug treatment center in your town is a dead giveaway that there are distributors in your area.
Drug Threat in Prior Lake ------
Sources
Drug Situation:In Minnesota, Mexican traffickers control the transportation, distribution, and bulk sales of cocaine, marijuana, methamphetamine, and small amounts of black-tar heroin. Numerous Mexican groups and street gangs such as the Latin Kings are operating in the city. As a general rule, the upper echelon Mexican distributors in Minnesota transport the majority of their proceeds back to family members residing in Mexico. At the retail level, independent African-American traffickers, African-American street gangs, Native-American gangs, and independent white group purchase cocaine, black-tar heroin, and marijuana from Mexican traffickers. In outlying areas of the city, independent white groups and outlaw motorcycle gangs distribute methamphetamine in small quantities. Street gang activity in Minnesota has increased dramatically over the past few years. African-American gangs appear to be primarily involved in the distribution of crack cocaine.
URL for mor details
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Prior Lake MN, -Pleasantville it AINT
Yet people still say "we have no gangs""
Banning hats is a move that is just as dumb as banning cars to prevent drive-by shootings. it would just change habits to "walk by shootings", the shootings would continue. the activities , & NOT the hats are what needs to be addressed...
"I'm not aware that there...
Back to page top"I'm not aware that there are KKK-related problems in the Prior Lake Savage Area Schools.
In the past two years, I know that there have not been any disciplinary actions at the School Board level relating to this type of discrimination or racism.
Students in the school may be able to comment more directly about possible gang-related issues that haven't resulted in any actions.
I think it would be great if some PLHS students could share how they feel about the hat issue, as well as if there are any "unseen" issues at school.
Ummmmm actually there is a serious problem it's just never reported, and btw the freshman class... is going to be something you would never imagine, racism.... is actually quite high, I'd know... becuase I've met them, they are my peers, I'm senior they will be freshman, i know a few of them, N****r is a word OFTEN use by "white" students of there age, and KKK it's been a problem since my freshman year, I've seen in on the walls of the stalls in the bathrooms, I've heard it from some of the more.... as they are dubbed at our school "hicks". As a matter of a fact, I have actually stopped being friends with some people becuase they have made racist or KKK remarks. As for Mafia... The russian related kids that have come in, have shown and brought mafia related things to school. I think you guys may actually be blissfully unaware about quite a few things that go on in our "fine example of an exemplary" school. As for unseen, HIGHLY, their is drug use in that school, on our busses, and certainly directly outside our school (still on school grounds.)
Thanks, Jensen313. I...
Back to page topThanks, Jensen313. I appreciate your comments. I think it's important for adults to understand issues students face at school.
We can guess at what goes on (and report the "hard facts" like School Board proceedings) but its great when students step up and let people know their experiences.
Do you feel that the racism is organized (an actual group of students that gang up on minority students)? Are the KKK markings at random, or have they been written on minority students' lockers, for example?
When you say the Russian mafia students have brought items to school, is there anything specific? (guns, knives or are you talking colors/symbols)
i am a senior this year at...
Back to page topi am a senior this year at the high school . gangs are present but theyre not a problem. there is cliches but thats not bad. each group stays to themselves most of the time. the school is MOSTLY white and racism is VERY obvious. i'm colored and ive dealt with it for 3 years now most of my friends ended up in lydia an alternative school because of it. but you are all looking way to far into this. hats dont make cliches and gangs and start fights. people do. personally i wear a hat everyday and have for 3 years and its never caused a problem. but if kids mess around isnt that high school? how do you think kids will act if high school goes how the adults want it to? everyody wears the same thing no hats no fights no yelling no music no talking without raising your hand only talking to teachers for an hour with a 5 minute break 20 minute lunches where you cant even walk around its like a jail! no matter what they do kids are still gonna be kids! they can take away hats but all its gonna do is make kids mad and they're not afraid to speak up about it so even more kids are just gonna get in trouble and god forbid the supervisors have to do their work! i know them. they switch shifts of walking around the school, sitting at a desk surfing the internet every now and then telling someone to sign in, or sit in ISS for an hour. WOW. hard work huh?
it might be because im a student, but i think if the school didnt make so many random constricting rules, then certain stuff wouldnt be such a big deal. it should be a teachers decision if hats are allowed in a classroom like every other year ive been there.
taking away hats isnt gonna make the kkk stick out more. we know who they are. and its not gonna make people stop being gang members. does it seem realistic for someone to go
"oh i cant wear a hat? im not gonna be a blood anymore i wanna get along with everybody!"
fights happen get over it. im not saying its good but as long as you put a bunch of tough guys together there's gonna be conflicts. next thing you know we wont be able to wear flip flops or lanyards for our keys or earings or lipstick or shirts with writing on them because itll "distract the staff". ive never heard a teacher say anything about a hat being distracting. its like saying i cant remember what i was gonna say to you because you have something on your head.
i just think they're gonna realize it was a bad idea to take hats away when school starts because at least half the guys wear hats and they're not gonna listen to the rules.
and i was just wonderin how does not letting people in prior lake high school relate anything to hitler and jews?
"everyody wears the same...
Back to page top"everyody wears the same thing no hats no fights no yelling no music no talking without raising your hand only talking to teachers for an hour with a 5 minute break 20 minute lunches"
sounds like a well run, disciplined school, if school was run like this from kindergarden and kids were taught some moral values, respect and personal responsibility in school and by their parents from birth, there wouldn't be the problems there are now.
"All in all it's just...
Back to page top"All in all it's just another brick in the wall.
All in all you're just another brick in the wall."
dbmasters, your comment makes me think of the scene in the movie "The Wall" where all the children are in unison, perfect order and being marched into the grinder to be molded into the same thing (it's all symbilism of course).
"If you don't eat yer meat, you can't have any pudding. How can you have any pudding if you don't eat yer meat?"
"You! Yes, you behind the bikesheds, stand still laddy!"
hahaha, yes, great scene,...
Back to page tophahaha, yes, great scene, and of course, a mite bit extreme version of the point I was trying to make.